Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 00:00.150
AI and tech players vying for dominance in the new year may pursue consolidation in the industry joining us right now is chris kelly founder of kelly investments and former general counsel and chief privacy officer for facebook what do
Chris Kelly (Founder) 00:13.950
you and a happy christmas
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 00:16.550
adam
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 00:18.790
exactly you you did you know that beforehand about
Chris Kelly (Founder) 00:22.150
this i did not know that beforehand but i've learned a lot this morning
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 00:26.480
you know news you can use my friend news you can use so help us understand how you see twenty twenty six play out in this AI space and especially among some of these large language model providers so
Chris Kelly (Founder) 00:38.240
there's going to continue to be a war for talent among the biggest players and there will probably be some new ones who come to the fore but more than anything else there's going to be a drive towards some efficiencies instead of just you know constantly building more data
Chris Kelly (Founder) 00:55.480
centers and more GPU 's all the time that that obviously the the amount that it takes to train a new model is an immense amount of of resources in terms of dollars in terms of GPU 's in terms of power but i think that there's going to be a lot of companies that turn hard towards
Chris Kelly (Founder) 01:12.760
how do we do this more efficiently and effectively and one of the most interesting approaches that's going to be the out there is thinking about how the human brain reasons and modeling that better i mean we were running our brains on twenty watts we don't need gigawatt power
Chris Kelly (Founder) 01:27.790
centers to to reason and i think that that finding efficiency is going to be one of the key things that that the big AI players look to
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 01:37.930
is there anybody who you think either drops out of the game or or fundamentally changes how they're doing this i mean there is a big question about whether you think all of these models get commoditized especially if you think some of the open source stuff either coming out of
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 01:51.490
china or elsewhere really actually takes you know catches fire because it sort of could undermine what some of the other folks are doing
Chris Kelly (Founder) 02:00.790
i mean i think there will be a number of open source players most probably my former colleagues at meta who you know have the llama models out there and mark has invested quite extensively in building you know a new team a bigger team to focus on this i i do think that you'll
Chris Kelly (Founder) 02:17.470
see a number of chinese players come to the fore that that especially if the nvidia GPU 's that are said to be being sold to china and now you'll come online
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 02:29.460
and and when you think about winners and losers are you of the view we're in some kind of bubble are you of the view that it's all going to be fine are you of the view that this is just
Chris Kelly (Founder) 02:38.420
the beginning both both is the way that i would put it i mean i think that there is a bit of a bubble around hey we've got to have this constant upward spiral of more GPU 's more power consumption more data centers i think that that drive towards efficiency is going to be very
Chris Kelly (Founder) 02:55.300
real and those who kind of strike a breakthroughs in this area area will will come to the fore and i think that some of the bigger players will end up acquiring smaller players that do that breakthrough and then i do think that you'll see open source models both out of the china
Chris Kelly (Founder) 03:08.710
china and the US and some out of europe too but mainly out of china and the US will will provide people you know basic levels of of compute and and access for for generative and agentic analysis
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 03:22.780
what is the chance we see in this regulatory environment a major transaction now open AI may be too big i don't i don't know where you think the valuation lands for an anthropic for example which obviously has stakes in it or or ownership stakes by people including google and
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 03:38.620
amazon and now i believe microsoft as well could could you see a company try to take out one of the big large language models i mean the other piece of this is apple is not really in the game way i think they want to be exactly
Chris Kelly (Founder) 03:54.590
and they have an incredible cash forward to deploy and and obviously an acquisition currency in their stock that works pretty well as well so i do think that you'll see some some you know some big deals in the space particularly as some of these more efficient players come to
Chris Kelly (Founder) 04:10.190
the fore if you can take the an operating essentially an operating system that you have going on with your LLM 's and think about how to make that a lot more effective inefficient on all the the classic you know tests and coefficients about reasoning to get to applied general
Chris Kelly (Founder) 04:29.750
intelligence everyone 's going to take the opportunity to do that and to the sense that they have both cash forwards and obviously incredibly valuable stock to deploy i do think you'll see a few big deals in this space but
Andrew Ross Sorkin (Anchor) 04:42.550
how big are we talking i mean so i would say anthropic would be you know potentially hundreds of billions