Brian Sullivan (Anchor) 00:00.270
let's bring in again capital founding partner john kilduff and tortoise senior portfolio manager rob thummell john doesn't tell you the story about how much inventories out there in the world or at least perceived to be out there in the world that were boarding venezuelan some
Brian Sullivan (Anchor) 00:13.790
venezuelan tankers that were starting to attack militant targets in nigeria and yet the price of oil is down right now
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 00:23.390
yes and good to see you brian the the cushion the supply cushion out there right now is extant and it's it's hard to make a dent in it and the players you're talking about venezuela hasn't been a meaningful producer of crude oil for some time now you know every little bit counts
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 00:41.350
because you know we're priced for perfection to the downside currently so if we were to lose a slug of oil from say venezuela nigeria i know you've been talking about this morning and even some more pressure on russia that that would head up and get us maybe potentially back on
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 00:55.230
the upside but save for any real concerns any real loss of volumes that the trajectory is just lower for now until we get a meaningful supply response from the major oil producers saudi arabia opec plus because the the the surplus as we go into twenty twenty six here is going to
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 01:13.110
be potentially remarkable i'm not sure it's going to come to pass but the the numbers that are out there that are in the market that are being priced into the barrels of oil right now are are just going to keep this oil price low and lower going into twenty twenty six
Brian Sullivan (Anchor) 01:29.790
rob then the question becomes does that make oil and gas stocks uninvested all of the price their underlying commodities going down does that necessarily mean the stocks will go down because guess what the last few weeks or months price of oil has gone down or stayed flat and
Brian Sullivan (Anchor) 01:45.230
some of these stocks have gone higher what do you see
Rob Thummel (Senior Portfolio Manager) 01:49.590
yeah well well brian what do i think we see is you know if there's been amazing discipline capital discipline in the oil and gas sector and so if you look at the energy sector if you're an investor and you're looking for a free cash flow i mean the the these stocks are trading
Rob Thummel (Senior Portfolio Manager) 02:00.750
at you know ten times their free cash flow and and you look at the broad market it's trading a much higher multiple than that and so i think investors are seeing free cash flow capital discipline and they'll they'll they'll see the market adjust the oil market or the the
Rob Thummel (Senior Portfolio Manager) 02:14.310
companies to adjust to to the lower oil price and there's a lot of dividends out there and and that's what like a tortoise is the companies that they can provide those secure dividends that have been disciplined with their capital spending because they can not only pay their
Rob Thummel (Senior Portfolio Manager) 02:26.590
existing dividends but also raise their dividends well into the future well in the future as well
? (Anchor) 02:32.350
you know john it's interesting we have these big debates about when and how AI is going to improve productivity in corporate america but look no further perhaps than the oil fields here in the US and even as you have recounts coming off you have a company like baker hughes
? (Anchor) 02:47.550
beginning to add more AI to the process and productivity of the wells is going up so what is that doing to the cost to pull a barrel out of the ground here in the US and what does that mean for production
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 03:01.180
well it keeps getting driven down you've seen production do nothing but go up even in a relatively low price environment i mean to be have oiled even in the sixties and see the kind of advances that we've seen in in US oil production again just just remarkable because it's not
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 03:16.420
even not even just AI technology and the ability to find now where the oil is more than ever before but also the technology to get it out of the ground they've gone from from water to now they've moved on to gel there there's other technology 's being employed by the big majors
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 03:32.990
like exxon chevron and as was just pointed out when you talk about the big majors like that they have the money to to cover their dividend they can they have the money to cover their cost of production in the in the shale patches that's really paying off for them now you're
John Kilduff (Founding Partner) 03:48.030
getting paid to wait there and look the the oil industry is and the oil market has a history of tumult so you're getting paid to wait it's an event risk play on top of being a value play in in my estimation here